you could label the republicans -- start with ronald reagan. cut taxes, big chunks for the wealthy, and then borrow the money to pay the bills. that is how you get that, $2 trillion, $3 killion, $4 million. trillion, $4 trillion. we will make the government so big that we cannot afford them. guest: ronald reagan was ever in support of killing any of those programs. that is hyperbole. theer: he had a tax on wealthy -- he cut taxes on the wealthy. let me finish, please. guest: he cut taxes across the board. caller: i'm going to hammer you. he took taxes down from 70% to 40%. that amounted to trillions of dollars given away to the wealthy. you think there's a correlation between us being trillions of dollars in hole and the fact that we gave trillions of dollars away to the wealthy over the past 30 years? guest: several things. a top marginal tax rate was not cut from 70% to 40%. it was cut from 70% down to 28%, much better. at the end of his presidency, of taxpayers plate -- paid a larger share of the tax burden. not only more, but a bigger .hare